Last night my today plus screen and the skin I have been using totally disappearsd and I cant get it back. I have tried to uninstall and reinstall the latest version and use all defaults but it still does not show up. I can get all the regular today stuff to show but when I check to use today plus I just get a blank screen. I am using an ipaq 2115 with windows2k3. Any idea's on how to get this back? I have used it for months and have not made any changes to anything in weeks. Very bummed it's gone!
Thanks in advance.
:cry:
Same problem here, since this afternoon the screen just went blank. When I start it manually it appears, but the background theme disappears. When I reset the device, nothing but a blank screen.
I'm using 0.9.8 version with a iPAQ 2210.
Somebody any idea?
Is the config still see your skin file? Is the Base Path still set toTodayPlus?
This seems to be a problem with older versions of the program. version .11 works fine. You guys might want to upgrade to the newest version.
Blazing Wolf that is a pretty blanket statement.. do you know why this is happening...? I to have the same problem, and it happened this morning. Not that I have even looked at Today Plus... nor made any software changes... so it does seem very strange.
I did just try to load version 0.11 overtop and there are no changes. Today Plus is still not working.
Edited:
I just loaded in version 0.11 and I don't seem to be able to get it up and running either. I guess I will have to read to see what is new since 0.98
Quote from: RipperBlazing Wolf that is a pretty blanket statement.. do you know why this is happening...? I to have the same problem, and it happened this morning. Not that I have even looked at Today Plus... nor made any software changes... so it does seem very strange.
I did just try to load version 0.11 overtop and there are no changes. Today Plus is still not working.
Edited:
I just loaded in version 0.11 and I don't seem to be able to get it up and running either. I guess I will have to read to see what is new since 0.98
No I don't know why it is not working :( . I do know that version .11 works. My wife's Dell had the older version .9.8 if I remember correctly. Today it stopped working. I loaded version .11.1 on it and it works fine. Looking at the skins and config.txt files nothing jumps out that would cause this type of problem. So I think (I am not posistive) that it is in the hard coded portion of the program.
As for loading version .11 over .9.8 I don't think you should do this. With the amount of changes that have been made to TodayPlus I think your best bet would be to uninstall the older version and reinstall the new version. There is a huge difference in how the config works and it might conflict with the earlier version.
As for you not getting version.11 working I would be more than happy to help you get it fixed. Let me know what you have done and we will see what can be done to get it running. :D
There appears to be a really "nasty" bug in Today Plus regarding the new year (in particular system dates from 1/1/04 on) :!: .
Today Plus (0.10.2) Loading Problem with 1/1/04 System Date
http://www.dark-mojo.com/todayplus/viewtopic.php?t=1166
-BL
Blazingwolf, I have the exact same setup as you - a 3955/wm 2003, CF & SD. I was running TP v.10.2 up until today because I was using the perfect skin for me, which LordTwisted designed. I was trying to wait until he updated it for v.11, but this morning - blank screen. When I ran the TP exe from the TodayPlus program file, it looked fine, but it would not display on my today screen. I tried removing and reloading, but nothing I did would make it work. I guess there must be some kind of 'date' bug in the hard-coded portion of the program. Anyway, I have been forced to upgrade to version 11 prematurely. I am trying to get all the functions of LT's skin to work (the slide show definitely won't - there's no place in the config exe to define the variables for the pictures). My question to you is - my SD and CF cards do not display correctly. The config exe has you define their path from the root directory, so I've chosen "Storage Card" and "Storage Card2", but they don't display the the proper information and none of the 'links' work. Have you run into this problem as well? If so, please let me know how you fixed this. Thanks. Dori
PS - LT, if you read this - PLEASE hurry on the updated skin LTwisted 10.2!!!!
pcweenie,
You need to make a few changes in the skin file. This is the old version of the skin region 9(this small section is for the SD card):
if,storage,storagepath1
button,161,3,15,20,-1,0,%work10-highlight
image,161,3,sd1.bmp,t
//button,161,0,70,24,9,4,300,8
storage,storagepath1,used,207,0,SD: , MB,c,%.1f
draw,roundrect,177,11,60,9,-1_6_-1,h
//storage,storagepath1,bar,165,13,62,5,gradient_green-red gradient.png
image,179,13,sdipback.bmp,t
storage,storagepath1,bar,179,13,56,5,-1_6_-1
//storage,storagepath1,bar,165,14,62,5,-1_8_-1
The new version will lbe like this:
if,storage,1
button,161,3,15,20,-1,0,%work10-highlight
image,161,3,sd1.bmp,t
//button,161,0,70,24,9,4,300,8
storage,1,used,207,0,SD: , MB,c,%.1f
draw,roundrect,177,11,60,9,-1_6_-1,h
//storage,1,bar,165,13,62,5,gradient_green-red gradient.png
image,179,13,sdipback.bmp,t
storage,1,bar,179,13,56,5,-1_6_-1
//storage,1,bar,165,14,62,5,-1_8_-1
I have bolded the specific spots that should be changed. You can do the same thing for stoaragepath2 and 3 and so on. Also in the cofig .exe under storage you need put in your SD card first, then Ipaq file store and then CF card. This should get you what you want. If you need more help just ask.
QuotePS - LT, if you read this - PLEASE hurry on the updated skin LTwisted 10.2!!!!
PC,
I will defintly post it this weekend i just don't have the time to packege it up right now. version 11 is done. i am working on version 12. And everything works in the skin plus about 5 extras.
Lordtwisted :D
BW - thank you for the advice. My SD card now shows the correct info. I changed storage,storagepath2 to storage,2, but that didn't seem to work for the CF card. I guess I will have to wait for LT's updated skin. Thanks for your help! Dori
PS - LT, don't tease me... :lol:
I can't wait for your new skin!
Thanks, Blazingwolf for the offer, I remember it taking me a few nights to put my last skin together the way I wanted it and I may take you up on your offer of assistance.
I had been deliberately staying away from the forum until the final details were hammered out for the new version of Today Plus. With all the changes I didn't want to do to much skinning only for it not to work on the lastest release.
If version 0.11 or 0.12 is going to be the final release then maybe its time to review the new format.
I was using 10.2 in my ipaq 2210 previously, as my today screen went blank after 2004, I "hard reset" my ipaq and reinstall ver.11 but still not working fine (even though i change my system clock back to 2003)..
I have read some of your posts and wonder that is it related to ipaq2210 only for the ver.11? Can anyone help me on this? Please!!!!! :oops:
Same problem here too with a 2210.
Previously using v0.10.1, worked until I did a soft-reset on Jan 01.
Just tried an uninstall and installed v0.11.0, no luck.
Exactly the same symptoms as above.
Iain.
Quote from: popabawaSame problem here too with a 2210.
Previously using v0.10.1, worked until I did a soft-reset on Jan 01.
Just tried an uninstall and installed v0.11.0, no luck.
Exactly the same symptoms as above.
Iain.
Hi Iain,
Just solved by installing the new ver0.11.0.. Please make sure you have already installed the .net framework and then, in config.exe, choose your skin file (eg. slider.txt), then make a restart..
Hope this help!
Just tried uninstalling and reinstalling .net & todayplus and it seems to work - hurrah!
My problem now is that I can't get the weather to update. Newsfeeds are fine - strange...
Iain
Please check in the config file and see if your city selections are there, if not add them.
Quote from: pcweenieBW - thank you for the advice. My SD card now shows the correct info. I changed storage,storagepath2 to storage,2, but that didn't seem to work for the CF card. I guess I will have to wait for LT's updated skin. Thanks for your help! Dori
PS - LT, don't tease me... :lol:
I can't wait for your new skin!
Storagepath2 is for the Ipaq file store. You will need to change storagepath3 to get the cf portion working. Here is the section I am refering to (still in region 9):
button,82,26,15,20,-1,0,%work12-highlight
image,83,26,cf.bmp,t
//button,161,0,70,24,9,4,300,8
storage,
storagepath3,used,128,23,CF: , MB,c,%.1f
draw,roundrect,98,34,60,9,-1_6_-1,h
//storage,storagepath1,bar,165,13,62,5,gradient_green-red gradient.png
image,100,36,sdipback.bmp,t
storage,
storagepath3,bar,100,36,56,5,-1_6_-1
//storage,storagepath1,bar,165,14,62,5,-1_8_-1
Also make sure that your cf card is listed 3rd in the config file. Let me know if you get it working or not.
TodayPlus definitely disappeared after 12/31/2003. Maybe SRS intended the program to become commercial by that date?
I am running v0.9.8 with a customized Logika Complete Skin on an HP Jornada 568.
You know thats funny pli7 I had the same exact thought... when this all happened... but did not want to say it.
Okay, I followed the advice on this forum to upgrade to v11. Not too bad. After I spent the whole morning revising the Complete Skin to my liking, I find that T+ now consistently disappears after a soft reset. I have to rerun the config.exe (press Reload button) then it comes back.
Anyone else having this problem?
I figured out why (the T+ screen disappearing on reset even in v11). If your base path is on a memory card, this will happen. If you move it back to main memory, problem does not happen again.
I have version 0.11.0 loaded where everything except the dll and exe are on an SD card and do not see this issue.
pli7: I've got the same issue, and I'm running everything in the default (main memory) locations. I had removed 0.10.1 and loaded 0.11.0 as per the instructions here; I think there'll be more I'll like about it, but I have remove some of the bulkiness of it and make it more like 0.10.2 (quick launch bar looks bulky, remove icons from status bar, etc.).
earlier betas were set to expire on 1/1/04, hence the blank screens...
Quoteearlier betas were set to expire on 1/1/04, hence the blank screens...
wow, are the newer betas going to expire to? I hope not, all the skins will be worthless.
Lordtwisted :D
SRS,
I love your program, and I realize that it's a BETA and you can make it do whatever you feel is appropriate, but I am disappointed that earlier versions become crippled after 1/1/04. I was using 0.9.8 because I liked the way it operated and I customized the skin extensively myself. I am not a programmer nor professional skinner, so while my changes may seem modest to some, they were extensive to me. Now I'm told I have to upgrade to a version I don't care for and attempt to do all that work again.
For those of us who want to keep our previous versions, would you consider re-releasing the older versions again without the internal expiration?
Thanks for your consideration.
That's a great idea. I think version 0.11.0 is generally pretty good, but I had a bunch of work to do to make it like I had things in 0.10.1. The CONFIG.EXE is excellent progress, and it'll be great to have a similar configuration program to design skins as well, even if it wasn't as advanced as people can get by hacking the text file. Keep up the great work, SRS!
Quote from: srsearlier betas were set to expire on 1/1/04, hence the blank screens...
May I ask the reason for having the beta's expire...? Is there an ulitimate plan to make this into commercial software...? I think it is a fair question considering the time that all of us are investing in the software...
Regardless you have done some very good work...
Quote from: LordtwistedQuoteearlier betas were set to expire on 1/1/04, hence the blank screens...
wow, are the newer betas going to expire to? I hope not, all the skins will be worthless.
Lordtwisted :D
If the exiration was not mentioned when released,
at the very least,
this little detail should be added when a newer version is released.
It just isn't nice when you don't tell users of the previous versions
what's coming up ahead
My point is that if I am going to be a beta tester for the software I would like to a least know about it. As much as I like the program... I have invested a lot of time in creating an interface that I finally like and then to find that it is crippled without warning is a little disconcerting. The reason that I did not upgrade to the new version was that I was waiting for SRS to finalize the format for the new release.
At this point I think I will pass on doing any more work until we get to a final version, so that I know what to expect. This is like being invited on a great amusement park ride and being handed a bill at the end. The rides not over... but....
SRS is doing an awesome job, as all are you who are more intimately involved in documenting and working the features. I agree though, that people should be told if and when their beta version will expire. I expect that this product will go commercial at some point (everyone's gotta eat) but I hope that we establish good communication about things like this before the production release is finalized. It doesn't leave a good taste in folks' mouths to continue testing and supporting a beta when it up and expires on them without prior notice.
I just want to have a version 0.9.8 that works. I'll even gladly pay for it. I've become dependant on this great piece of software, but I just don't have the time to relearn how to modify the interface again! It took me days the last time. SRS, would you consider releasing non-crippled older versions? I will pay any reasonable price.
I understand the fustration of having the beta expire but you also need to realize something. srs is up to version 0.11.0, if you're using something older than that and don't want to update, then you're not really beta testing anymore, since all the problems you may encounter may be solved in newer versions already.
I'll going to shoot a blank here and say that IMO, that's srs way of having us move to the latest and keep helping with the program. :)
Again, this is my opinion only.
I think the concern is not that the earlier versions expired, but rather that users did not know that they were going to expire. That is the sticking point here. I agree with Eitel. If we are to help srs move this software forward we need to keep updating to the new version and providing feedback. It would be nice to know, however, when previous releases will expire so users can be prepared. I am sure it would cause a lot less confusion and avoid 30+ item threads about this topic.
JTod
Eitel,
That's a very good point, and that's why I think he should charge for re-released previous versions. I was very happy with .9.8. I've read a lot about this newest version, and I still think I would prefer .9.8, even without the days of reskinning. But if I want to stick with a previous version, then I agree, I'm of no more use to SRS. He should receive some compensation from me. I WANT to use his software, but I don't think I should get it for free. :)
I think that old releases should expire. Why? Because if they don't, you'll have people trying to get support for them. Support for bugs that have been fixed, and for functionality that already exists in future versions. I think it's safe to assume that each version will become obsolete once new versions come out.
I think alot of you are missing the point. If I knew that I was going to be a beta tester for this program thing would defiinitely be different. What SRS has gotten from us is free labor. Sure we have had the opportunity to test the new software... and some of us have taken some pretty big hits in the way of unrecoverable crashes on our system.
This is acceptable, since we were assuming that we were working to achieve a finished product that was going to be shared by all. The point is that I am being used a beta tester in the most sneaky way with no compensation for it. I am sure that most beta testers are offered the finished product free for there efforts or more unlikely a large discount. At least they are aware that fact their services are being used and are being compensated. In this case "IT SEEMS" we are given the impression that the software is free for use, when in fact we are acting as beta testers for the programmer. If I had known that the software was going to be crippled you could be assured that I would not be investing hours upon hours of my time reconfiguring files. I would wait for the finished product and consider purchasing it... at this point I am really not to happy about the apparent business practices happening here... and will no longer support this project as it stands.
Opps.. in response to Eitels comments I am not asking for any additional support of old versions other than what you would receive on any bulletin board... the way this project has been run is less than honorable... so though I almost always agree with you... I can not follow your logic on this occassion...
If I knew this was going to be a project like PocketMVP... I would be more than happy to lend my support and push the project to a higher level... but in this case I feel that we are all being used to ulitmately feather the nest of one (or a handful) of people...
Just one more point... there was some forethought that was put into this... I just went back and loaded in my earliest version... 0.07.2 and it to has been crippled...
Ripper, I'm sorry you feel that way. In part, I'm responsible because I forgot to add on the main page that TodayPlus is still in beta development and it has been that way since the begining.
It seems that you didn't came to this board from the long thread that started at Brighthand. srs was asking for beta testers for this excellent program and a lot of people jumped in (including me) to help him. From there, and since the thread was growing like crazy, I have donated my web space to create this little community were we can help srs make this a better program. You can read more here (warning, 174 pages long):
http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=9b00b40cc53c2534c6b73368c43f6959&threadid=85179&highlight=todayplus
So as you can see, TodayPlus is still in beta, and again, I do apologize to all for not informing that in this site. :oops:
I think it is clearly stated that this is beta software.
I wouldn't say we are being used as "free labor."
I'm pretty sure that you (general you, not specific you) were warned in several places to backup your system before installing, so any crashes should be recoverable.
As for "sneaky business practices"... I don't see a business here...
The PIToday plugin was disabled as of 12/31... of course, you are right, that was always made clear.
Yea it kinda sucks all the work i have done ond averybody else, to have the betas expire. Why would you have a beta expire if it's freewere.
qoute from srs in brighthand on page 9
Quotequote:
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Is it freeware, or are you going to sell it?
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srs
It will be freeware.
It dosen't make sense. And all the ideas i have come up with and the ideas of other poeple, Thast part of the programe. We should have full working copys for ever. I put to much time and efort for the betas to expire. If srs is going to sell it are we going to get full non expiring copys?
I am so bummed about this all of the things i created, Maybe if srs explains why and lets us know whats going on. is he going to sell it wich he said it is freewere. Whats up srs please respond.
Lordtwisted :(
Quote from: MichealSRS,
I love your program, and I realize that it's a BETA and you can make it do whatever you feel is appropriate, but I am disappointed that earlier versions become crippled after 1/1/04. I was using 0.9.8 because I liked the way it operated and I customized the skin extensively myself. I am not a programmer nor professional skinner, so while my changes may seem modest to some, they were extensive to me. Now I'm told I have to upgrade to a version I don't care for and attempt to do all that work again.
well, as you point out:
1) Its a beta.
2) You're supposed to upgrade when a new version comes out.
3) If you don't like a new version, you're supposed to leave feedback on what you don't like about it, so that perhaps thinks can be improved.
4) Even though you've extensively modified the skin, you haven't bothered to post it here, nor have bothered to help others with questions. Basically, you've taken everything, haven't contributed anything back, so what gives you the right to critize me ?
Quote
For those of us who want to keep our previous versions, would you consider re-releasing the older versions again without the internal expiration?
Thanks for your consideration.
no. if you don't want to be a beta tester, don't download betas.
Quote from: Ripper
May I ask the reason for having the beta's expire...? Is there an ulitimate plan to make this into commercial software...? I think it is a fair question considering the time that all of us are investing in the software...
Regardless you have done some very good work...
its quite standard to have betas expire.
1) Old betas will contain bugs that have been fixed in future versions. Sometimes these bugs may be quite serious, requiring a hard reset.
2) Old betas may cause undesirable behavior on other servers. For instance the very first version would poll the weather feed to check for an update everytime the screen was tapped. If everyone were to continue to use the old version, I'm sure the weather feed would have been forced to shut down by now because of the bandwidth. Older betas also allowed setting the update interval of the weather to less than 60 minues, newer version do not.
3) If I had wanted to make this commercial, and to make money:
1) there would not be a new beta that still works available.
2) I would probably stop adding new features, and sell it as is, or even better break it up into pieces, and sell each piece.
4) I don't know how much beta testing you've done, but most of the betas I've worked with expire. Microsoft's betas expire. Samurize (www.samurize.com) had betas that expire. Objectdock (www.objectdock.net) betas expired. these are just the first three that came to mine, and that I use, so I'm sure there are many more.
5) I would like people to use the latest versions, because I've spent a lot of time implementing new features and fixing bugs. It annoys me greatly when people stick with old versions, because they think its better, and don't post why. If people just stuck with old version, it diminishes the time I've spend to come up with a new version.
Quote from: RipperMy point is that if I am going to be a beta tester for the software I would like to a least know about it.
the title of the Brighthand thread is:
"Beta Testers for new today screen plugin wanted." :roll:
If are ignorant of this fact, or have reading comprehension problems, its not my fault. The fact thats its a beta is also mentioned numerous times throughout the forums and on the main page itself.
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At this point I think I will pass on doing any more work until we get to a final version, so that I know what to expect. This is like being invited on a great amusement park ride and being handed a bill at the end. The rides not over... but....
you can ask for a full refund on your way out :roll:
Quote from: epsilonxIt doesn't leave a good taste in folks' mouths to continue testing and supporting a beta when it up and expires on them without prior notice.
I don't see what you're whining about, since you were neither testing nor supporting the beta.
Quote from: RipperI think alot of you are missing the point. If I knew that I was going to be a beta tester for this program thing would defiinitely be different.
this really doesn't bode well for your "point"....
QuoteWhat SRS has gotten from us is free labor. Sure we have had the opportunity to test the new software... and some of us have taken some pretty big hits in the way of unrecoverable crashes on our system.
and I suppose you haven't gotten any free labor from me ? you were also warned about the risks involved, so I'm not apologising anymore for crashes, expecially since you apparently don't want to even update your version. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be here if you didn't find the program useful and have gotten some use from it...
QuoteThis is acceptable, since we were assuming that we were working to achieve a finished product that was going to be shared by all. The point is that I am being used a beta tester in the most sneaky way with no compensation for it. I am sure that most beta testers are offered the finished product free for there efforts or more unlikely a large discount.
you want compensation ? for what ? what service have you provided ? It can't be for being a beta tester because you've been a lousy one who hasn't bothered to upgrade to the latest version. It can't be for helping out at the forums, because you havent posted suggestions or bug reports or even helped others with problems. So what exactly have you provided
me or the TodayPlus community, that you feel that you should be compensated for ? You seem to place quite a high value on the "services" you've provided...
QuoteAt least they are aware that fact their services are being used and are being compensated. In this case "IT SEEMS" we are given the impression that the software is free for use, when in fact we are acting as beta testers for the programmer.
this really doesn't bode well for your reading comprehnsion at all.....
Quotewould wait for the finished product and consider purchasing it... at this point I am really not to happy about the apparent business practices happening here... and will no longer support this project as it stands.
I don't see a business here.... as for not supporting it, since you were a parasite, we're all probably better off now that you're gone.
Quote from: Lordtwisted
It dosen't make sense. And all the ideas i have come up with and the ideas of other poeple, Thast part of the programe.
feel free to take your ideas and program them into a program you write...
QuoteWe should have full working copys for ever. I put to much time and efort for the betas to expire.
it doesn't compare to the time or effort I've put it...
QuoteIf srs is going to sell it are we going to get full non expiring copys?
I am so bummed about this all of the things i created, Maybe if srs explains why and lets us know whats going on. is he going to sell it wich he said it is freewere. Whats up srs please respond.
I don't know where you're getting the idea that I'm going to sell it... I don't think I could even if I wanted to considering that Eitel hosts the site, and that most of the buttons are derived from Lightman's work...
If you're so bummed, you can take all the things you've created and leave.
I really don't want to repeat what has already been mentioned but I feel I must!
1) I have been a beta tester for TodayPlus since nearly the beginning when the Brighthand thread was still very small. I have experienced all the joy and suffering that being a beta tester requires.
2) I am not always quick to update to the latest version, schedule sometimes doesn't allow it, but I always update to the latest version as soon as I am able. I have tweaked and re-tweaked the slider skin so many times; I know most of my changes by heart. :D Yes, it is a pain, but that is the job of a beta tester.
3) I have always reported bugs, offered support and suggestions to help the further development of TodayPlus. It is tough sometimes to find the time, but again that is the job of a beta tester.
4) Yes we are giving srs "free labor" to further develop this program. As he mentioned, he has given us "free labor" to develop the program. SRS asked for beta testers, and currently over 1000 people have responded. Maybe everyone wasn't aware that the program was still in beta, but if you look long enough around it should be clear that it is a beta.
5) TodayPlus is currently freeware and srs has stated that it will always be freeware. He wrote the program and ultimately can do anything he wishes to do with it. He may chose to no longer develop the program further and soon all version my expire and stop working (I hope not :().
All this back and forth bantering is a waste of good time. Enjoy what we do, and don't get an ulcer. My two and 1/2 cents!
Hi all -
I came to this site from ppcfreeware.com and if I didn't know TodayPlus was beta from the version number (0.9x) it was certainly made plain on the site itself. I don't believe anyone can honestly say they were not aware this was beta software.
I have been involved in many beta projects, both large and small and srs is quite correct when he says that it is common practice to expire betas. It makes sense - you don't want developers fussing over supporting features or bugs that have been changed or fixed in later versions.
Good beta programs depend on testers updating to the newer versions as they are released to keep the flow of information back to the developers. I religiously update as the newer versions are released - and report back with as much analysis as I can on the problems I find, hoping that my feedback will in some small way help srs make a fantastic plugin even better.
Of course, there are frustrations: sometimes beta testing results in loss of data, hard resets etc. A newer beta doesn't always mean a better beta - a new feature may introduce bugs or break features that were working before, the development team may add debug code into a section they are having problems with, causing it to run slower and so on. But that's the price you pay for being a part of the development effort.
srs puts in a tremendous amount of work and asks little in return - one must assume that he does it for the joy if creating and of providing such useful software to ot ers.
I find the carping, questioning of srs' integrity and talk of "compensation" quite offensive. My hope is that this forum will "lose" some of the "parasites" srs refers to and we can focus on improving the software.
This is beta software - if you want to use it then accept that you are offering your time and the integrity of your Pocket PC as guinea pigs and hang on for the ride. If you don't - then wait until srs releases 1.1.
srs - please keep up the good work - there are many of us who support you and are truly enjoying the ride, bumps, potholes and all!
:yeahthat: :D
QuoteLordtwisted wrote:
It dosen't make sense. And all the ideas i have come up with and the ideas of other poeple, Thast part of the programe.
feel free to take your ideas and program them into a program you write...
I could but that would be sensless You'r programe is to good.
QuoteWe should have full working copys for ever. I put to much time and efort for the betas to expire.
it doesn't compare to the time or effort I've put it...
I never said you didn't put alot of time and effort in the program, I am just saying i put in alot of time and effort to. Not as much as you but still proply ONE of the most here besides you. Thats something. I just don't see why you couldn't leave the betas running. I under stand the older betas with major bugs but like 11 and up?
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If srs is going to sell it are we going to get full non expiring copys?
I am so bummed about this all of the things i created, Maybe if srs explains why and lets us know whats going on. is he going to sell it wich he said it is freewere. Whats up srs please respond.
I don't know where you're getting the idea that I'm going to sell it... I don't think I could even if I wanted to considering that Eitel hosts the site, and that most of the buttons are derived from Lightman's work...
Cool thats all you had to say that it will still be freeware, you wouldn't respond. Ever body was talking about you are going to sell it, and that the beta expired, that just seems weird when it's freeware. and i do other beta testing to and they don't expire. The proplem with this is to many poeple where brought in. 1000+ poeple beta testing, Thats kinda of a open program. Beta testing is almost 90% limited to a certine amount of poeple.
QuoteIf you're so bummed, you can take all the things you've created and leave
Dam srs i can't be bummed. Just couse you'r mad don't take it out on me for speaking my mind. theres other poele that feel the same way but i guese to scare to say something.
QuoteI find the carping, questioning of srs' integrity and talk of "compensation" quite offensive. My hope is that this forum will "lose" some of the "parasites" srs refers to and we can focus on improving the software.
swm1605,
I hope you'r not talking to me becouse if you are you don't have a clue of what you'r talking about. I been here pretty much from the start. and proply did more work then anyone here, besides a few of course srs, etiel,lightman,blazingwolf and maybee a couple others. And if i didn't do more work and time then them , then i am right there with them.(exept srs) look back in brighthand and here and you will see.
QuoteI came to this site from ppcfreeware.com and if I didn't know TodayPlus was beta from the version number (0.9x) it was certainly made plain on the site itself. I don't believe anyone can honestly say they were not aware this was beta software.
ever body knows it's beta.
Quotesrs puts in a tremendous amount of work and asks little in return - one must assume that he does it for the joy if creating and of providing such useful software to ot ers.
I aggree, Same goes for me as a skinner/programmer.
Lordtwisted :?
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Cool thats all you had to say that it will still be freeware, you wouldn't respond. Ever body was talking about you are going to sell it, and that the beta expired, that just seems weird when it's freeware. and i do other beta testing to and they don't expire. The proplem with this is to many poeple where brought in. 1000+ poeple beta testing, Thats kinda of a open program. Beta testing is almost 90% limited to a certine amount of poeple.
Actually, as you are well aware there are two beta programs running here: a
public beta release represented by 0.11.0 and the
private beta release represented by 0.12.0. This is very common practice, with a small, focused group of testers really stretching the software and the larger, public group providing a wider variety of software and hardware configurations than can ever be available to any development team. Consider Microsoft - public betas from MS can be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
LordTwisted wrote:
Quoteswm1605,
I hope you'r not talking to me becouse if you are you don't have a clue of what you'r talking about. I been here pretty much from the start. and proply did more work then anyone here, besides a few of course srs, etiel,lightman,blazingwolf and maybee a couple others. And if i didn't do more work and time then them , then i am right there with them.(exept srs) look back in brighthand and here and you will see.
Carefully rereading my post I can discern absolutely no reference to you. I am therefore somewhat surprised that you have made the leap onto the high horse so quickly. Rest assured that I (graphically challenged as I am) rely on the efforts of all of the skinners to get the most out of TodayPlus. In fact I am using LTwisted 0.11.0 with the 0.12.0 private beta right now. However, I did quote srs on the term "parasite" - note that a parasite gives nothing back to its host while a "symbiote" lives in a mutually beneficial relationship with its host. Are you a parasite? No - you give back to this community by providing skins and assistance on skinning to others. Was I therefore referring to you? Obviously not, you symbiote you!. :lol:
I cannot agree with you that the betas should not expire - beta testing by definition means obtaining and testing the latest released version and one of the ways to force people to move to the newer version is to expire the older version. In fact, if I were srs, I would remove from the forum all attachments of previous versions whenever a new version is released. I have been involved in beta testing programs where the developers would simply not respond to any bug reports unless that bug could be shown to be present in the latest released build or, if they did respond, it was with the terse message to "upgrade to the latest version and try it again!".
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srs puts in a tremendous amount of work and asks little in return - one must assume that he does it for the joy if creating and of providing such useful software to ot ers.
I aggree, Same goes for me as a skinner/programmer.
But in an earlier post you said:
QuoteWe should have full working copys for ever
Seems to me you are expecting something a tiny, tiny leeettle bit more than the "joy of creating" and a round of applause.:wink:
Jokes aside, I truly think that srs will find it increasingly difficult to keep this software as freeware - I fully expect that MS will come calling at some point in the future to jazz up the Today screen for WM200x. Eventually, srs will receive an offer that he simply cannot refuse and this software will go commercial. I just hope that I am able to purchase it at a decent price at that time! Way down here in Africa, software priced in dollars is prohibitively expensive!
regards
swm1605
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srs puts in a tremendous amount of work and asks little in return - one must assume that he does it for the joy if creating and of providing such useful software to ot ers.
I aggree, Same goes for me as a skinner/programmer.
But in an earlier post you said:
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We should have full working copys for ever
Seems to me you are expecting something a tiny, tiny leeettle bit more than the "joy of creating" and a round of applause.
I wasn't expecting nothing. I did not know the betas where going to expire. So i Thought I had a full working copy. So then i expected nothing but aknoledgement. and around of silent applause. I would have never wrote anything if srs ansererd my pm. i asked if the secret beta testers could have full working copys, i don't see anything wrong with that. i don't care if it had a few bugs, i never complained about sofreset or anything. I just like making things and figuring out things. thats why i got in to this buissness 15 years ago. It would have been difrent if srs told us, we should have been told that the betas would expire, don't you think that to. Or maybee i am just f@&ked up. lol
Quotesrs refers to and we can focus on improving the software
This is why I said that, srs only ansered me and, that other dude wich has nothing to do with me, so i thought you where talking about me. i am not on a high horse, I don't even have a horse. i guese if i did it would be high.lmao
To be honest with you i have nothing but respect for what srs does, cuse he does it so well, and it's what i love to do.
Lordtwisted :D 8) :D
I think SRS is doing a wonderfull job, i just hope he doesn't quit after all this "wining".
I just want to post my opinion since srs is attacked by a couple of crazy people who cannot understand that it is a Beta version!!! :evil:
Why would srs called his program 0.9.8, 0.11 etc.
When you download the program, you will see that there are new features, bug fixes etc Enough indications that is is a Beta!!!
Srs did a great job. I was pretty shocked as well when suddenly Todayplus dissapeared from my Todayscreen (imagine that this program is absolutely indispensable). But I downloaded the newer versions and everything was solved, and more important, more features :D
Srs doesn't make newer versions just for fun... It is logical that each time, there's a new version, you try it, and if there are problems, bugs etc. post it in this (great) forum so that srs can improve and improve.
So some of you who don't like being a beta tester, go away and post your problems elsewhere.
I hope that srs continues to develop this wonderful program, I thinks lots of people find it indispensable!!!
Quote from: NielsracingI just want to post my opinion since srs is attacked by a couple of crazy people who cannot understand that it is a Beta version!!! :evil:
You're really missing the point here. Most critics made here were properly fundamented and the users who made them are quite sane, not a bunch of crazy people.
We all know this is beta (duh!) and as all have referred so many times, we appreciate the work that srs has put into this, no doubt about that.
The main issue is that he SHOULD have told users about the expiration and he didn't. It is you (and some others) who are missing the point of the complaints here.
If we skinners/testers/etc invest so much time in contributing to this program, we are allowed to know ALL the conditions under which the program will function. Period.
I won't go any further into this, I just felt I had to rebate this ridiculous idea about this criticism being non-sense or crazy. It is not.
Having said that, I hope after srs makes his point here, we can all put this behind us and go on using this great program without further problems.
I woke this morning before leaving for work and after my PDA have completed its update. I continued on my commute to work. My dismay is that TP disappears whenever I click any of the icons.
I thought something was wrong with my skin or any update of other applications. Wrong, it is TP. Everyone has been saying that the time limit is sometime in February 2004. Wrong, again, for me it is today Monday January 20, 2004.
Subsequently, I changed the date on my PDA one month back and suprise, suprise everything works.
Anyone has anything to add to this.
LawofA
Quote from: LightManQuote from: NielsracingI just want to post my opinion since srs is attacked by a couple of crazy people who cannot understand that it is a Beta version!!! :evil:
You're really missing the point here. Most critics made here were properly fundamented and the users who made them are quite sane, not a bunch of crazy people.
We all know this is beta (duh!) and as all have referred so many times, we appreciate the work that srs has put into this, no doubt about that.
The main issue is that he SHOULD have told users about the expiration and he didn't. It is you (and some others) who are missing the point of the complaints here.
If we skinners/testers/etc invest so much time in contributing to this program, we are allowed to know ALL the conditions under which the program will function. Period.
I won't go any further into this, I just felt I had to rebate this ridiculous idea about this criticism being non-sense or crazy. It is not.
Having said that, I hope after srs makes his point here, we can all put this behind us and go on using this great program without further problems.
Ok, I can deal with that, I shouldn't have said " crazy people", my apologies.
But, in some posts, for example, someone wants a "compensation" because he didn't knew that it was a Beta etc, that is unfair!!!
But, I agree that srs maybe could have said there was an expiration date. But I can only see that as a minor mistake, doesn't bother me at all. I really hope that srs continues to improve this program!!! He can also stop improving this program, and then we're not happy at all.
I think in this thread, a couple of members wrote down their opinion about this, they made their point, srs knows about it, and I suggest that we leave this thread behind!!! It's a wonderful program that puts the functionality to a higher level (if you understand what I mean :D )
QuoteHaving said that, I hope after srs makes his point here, we can all put this behind us and go on using this great program without further problems.
Good idea :P