I just saw this... and I have to say there seems to be something very wrong with it... especially the fine print near the bottom...
"Note: Everything Today 2.0 , WeatherNow 1.0.1 , LTwisted 1.5 requires Todayplus, A free program. If you don't already have Todayplus ver 12 then email us. We can also help you install it."
Handango Link (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productType=2&optionId=1_2_2&jid=974B7EXFFXCF5EACXB7846395F593C14&platformId=2&siteId=1&productId=141098§ionId=0&catalog=30)
Maybe it is time we rethought the policies of this forum...
jhollin138 Edit: Shorted the URL Link
Quote from: RipperI just saw this... and I have to say there seems to be something very wrong with it... especially the fine print near the bottom...
"Note: Everything Today 2.0 , WeatherNow 1.0.1 , LTwisted 1.5 requires Todayplus, A free program. If you don't already have Todayplus ver 12 then email us. We can also help you install it."
Handango Link (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productType=2&optionId=1_2_2&jid=974B7EXFFXCF5EACXB7846395F593C14&platformId=2&siteId=1&productId=141098§ionId=0&catalog=30)
Maybe it is time we rethought the policies of this forum...
Hello Ripper,
Nice to meet you here!
Lately we talked a bit about version 0.12 here:
http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1681&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Besides: although much people all over the world must posses version 0.12, almost all skinners use version 0.11 because version
0.11 is more stabile, people say.
And what I've seen with my own eyes: in the 0.12 reference I didn't see new features compared with version 0.11. So, in my humble opinion, it isn't wise to use version 0.12 now.
Timmy
Hi I wasn't really speaking to the use of version 12... but the fact that this person is freely distributing TodayPlus... yet we feel bound to with-hold it from anyone who asks for it at this forum.
I know that TodayPlus is a strange problem... and I have a hard time understanding the dynamics of it. But selling the skins has always rubbed me the wrong way... and basically bundling the two together really feels wrong. That was my point...
Quote from: RipperHi I wasn't really speaking to the use of version 12... but the fact that this person is freely distributing TodayPlus... yet we feel bound to with-hold it from anyone who asks for it at this forum.
I know that TodayPlus is a strange problem... and I have a hard time understanding the dynamics of it. But selling the skins has always rubbed me the wrong way... and basically bundling the two together really feels wrong. That was my point...
Ripper,
Now it's more clear for me what you think. I agree with you and your points:
• TodayPlus was and is a free program. You can get it still for free on our Dutch, German, French and ... forums. Even with a .dll to let TodayPlus work fine. Also for free. And I don't like it if people are asking money for plugins of this free program...
• Yet we feel bound to with-hold it from anyone who asks for it at this forum. For me: if Jhollin1138 can agree with it, we change this policy, and do like most boards do, and not feeling bounded with things from the past. But I don't know if there are playing things in the background, so I'm not sure if my thoughts on this point are wise. So let Jhollin1138 speak...
Timmy
Quote from: TimmyYou can get it still for free on our Dutch, German, French and ... forums.
You won't find TodayPlus in the German forum as a download, because
srs had forbidden to distribute it there.
Broesel
Quote from: BroeselQuote from: TimmyYou can get it still for free on our Dutch, German, French and ... forums.
You won't find TodayPlus in the German forum as a download, because
srs had forbidden to distribute it there.
Broesel
Broesel,
You gave a right correction: TodayPlus itself isn't to find there. But I've seen links there, to URL's where it's to download... :wink:
Timmy
I bought Everything Today... before I knew what Today Plus was... along with that came not knowing about the whole history of the TP program. I was using Dashboard prior to this.
Here are my thoughts on this:
There have always been and always will be skinners who make both freebies and a few 'babies' that they put alot of work into they sell as 'exclusive' skins. Just take a look at Juni's site and you'll find two exclusive skins with support for a variety of plugins that you can 'buy', however the rest on his site are free. So I don't think anything against the selling of the Everything Today skin for TP.
Having said that... I am getting the feeling from what I have read on here, that SRS does not want anyone to use TodayPlus anymore at all... am I correct in this assumption? Because why else would he build in an expiration in the first place? So in that sense... I guess we are all 'stealing' his program by using a .dll file to bypass his expiration.
I am however still using it.... but I do feel really bad by using it. In the one case, it's a great program that had great potential, and it's a shame to let it die, and on the other hand, I feel like I am stealing. I wish I could have found something written BY SRS to the effect that it was 'ok' to continue using the most recent version. BUt I didn't see anything like that on here. I'd pay for TP if it was commercial.
Oh, and Everything Today does not come bundled with TP12... it sais on there if you are having trouble finding a copy of TodayPlus 12, that you can email him and he will set u up with a copy. I searched high and low for ANY copy of Today Plus, and everyone on hre sais 'Google' but you can't find it.... trust me, I paged through about 50 google pages looking for a copy of any version. SO I emailed corbcut and got version 12. Runs beautifully on my ipaq 4155, I just can't give it up now that I am using it.
If I had known about the situation with this 'NOT SO FREE' program before I bought everything today, I might have decided against it. I just hope SRS can see the good side of things and the many people who love his work, and somehow get past the bad things that happened. And when he comes back I'll do my part with the beta testing :) and I hope he doesn't hate me too much for using TP12 in the mean time.
Maybe Corbcut should post here and (try to) justify his words and actions !! After all, at one time, he did insist to me that he believes he owns "copyrights" to much of the code that we all use !! :rofl:
* Just my 2 cents !! (http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/e088.gif)
One of drawback of using the commercial TP skin is you have to count on the support of original author or somone is willing to help you off-line. And you also need to ask skinner to customerize your need for the skin. Sometimes, it will take times...Just my 10 cents (sorry live expense near Wahington DC is higher).
Corbcut (aka LordTwisted) is profiting on the selling and distributing TodayPlus, maybe not directly but indirectly (see this Handango Search (http://www.handango.com/PlatformSearch.jsp?optionId=1_2_2&jid=B574F3A66658CA33A658F2EECE96E641&platformId=2&siteId=1&txtSearch=corbcut+todayplus)). I will leave that to SRS to address with Corbcut directly, assuming he still visits this forum and/or is aware of it.
The distribution policy was put in place by Eitel when he reopened the forum after TodayPlus expired in this Announcement (http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9080#9080). Specifically this statement:
Quote from: EitelIf you don't have a working copy of TodayPlus, then too bad. You won't find it here, so please don't ask. All threads and posts talking about hacking this software will be deleted on sight, without an explanation.
For the hack/crack policy, see this post (http://www.pdacorps.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?PID=15397&FID=15&TID=2676&TPN=3#15397) by Ben over at PDA Corps. Specifically this statement:
Quote from: BenLThe legality of any discussions regarding TodayPlus isn't a matter of question. SRS has made it clear that as long as no binaries, hacks, cracks, etc are distributed, and discussion of such doesn't take place, then the discussions can continue...
Unless SRS ever contacts me stating that the policies can be removed, they will not be.
Quote from: ZapMe1... After all, at one time, he did insist to me that he believes he owns "copyrights" to much of the code that we all use !! :rofl:
* Just my 2 cents !! (http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/more/bigs/e088.gif)
Then the Hammerskin must go to hell, all my Code is stolen from others :angel:
Quote from: Wichtel
Then the Hammerskin must go to hell, all my Code is stolen from others :angel:
Oops, me too. I don't have a skin.. Then I will go to hell...... :shock:
UK
Then we go both to hell and throw the devil out. :mrgreen:
QuoteThen the Hammerskin must go to hell, all my Code is stolen from others Angel
I guess we will all go to Hell together !!! :knownot:
I've been there. But they tell me it was called New Mexico. Oh, wait. that was while I was still in the Air Force. The devil's gotta go..
Quote from: jhollin1138(...) Unless SRS ever contacts me stating that (...)
@Jhollin1138,Do you have possibilities to contact SRS?!? I don't think so, but I'm just curious to know!
Timmy
Quote from: SynergieThere have always been and always will be skinners who make both freebies and a few 'babies' that they put alot of work into they sell as 'exclusive' skins. Just take a look at Juni's site and you'll find two exclusive skins with support for a variety of plugins that you can 'buy', however the rest on his site are free. So I don't think anything against the selling of the Everything Today skin for TP.
I also don't have a problem with a skinner selling a skin for TodayPlus or anything else. I feel the problem with Corbcut selling his skins is he announced that he was going to sell them before TodayPlus officially expired.
Quote from: SynergieHaving said that... I am getting the feeling from what I have read on here, that SRS does not want anyone to use TodayPlus anymore at all... am I correct in this assumption? Because why else would he build in an expiration in the first place? So in that sense... I guess we are all 'stealing' his program by using a .dll file to bypass his expiration.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. SRS doesn't seem to have a problem with the discussion of TodayPlus just its distribution. As far as the expiration date, he has stated that was included to limit the life of older versions from running. Basically making the Beta testers (which we all were) upgrade to the newest version. In a way minimizing the need to support older versions with problems that might have had bug fixes in the newer version.
Quote from: SynergieI am however still using it.... but I do feel really bad by using it. In the one case, it's a great program that had great potential, and it's a shame to let it die, and on the other hand, I feel like I am stealing. I wish I could have found something written BY SRS to the effect that it was 'ok' to continue using the most recent version. BUt I didn't see anything like that on here. I'd pay for TP if it was commercial.
I have never found that either. The closest I know of is the quote I made earlier by BenL at PDA Corps. Basically giving permission to continue discussing TodayPlus.
Quote from: SynergieOh, and Everything Today does not come bundled with TP12... it sais on there if you are having trouble finding a copy of TodayPlus 12, that you can email him and he will set u up with a copy. I searched high and low for ANY copy of Today Plus, and everyone on hre sais 'Google' but you can't find it.... trust me, I paged through about 50 google pages looking for a copy of any version. SO I emailed corbcut and got version 12. Runs beautifully on my ipaq 4155, I just can't give it up now that I am using it.
I still check for the availability of TodayPlus using Google regularly. I can always find it on the first page of the search. Just remember, it isn't the Palm version. Also, it is "TodayPlus" and not "Today Plus".
Quote from: SynergieIf I had known about the situation with this 'NOT SO FREE' program before I bought everything today, I might have decided against it. I just hope SRS can see the good side of things and the many people who love his work, and somehow get past the bad things that happened. And when he comes back I'll do my part with the beta testing :) and I hope he doesn't hate me too much for using TP12 in the mean time.
We all wish the same thing.
jhollin1138:
The ones on Google is always 0.11 the only time 0.12 showed up was....then down again......You know what I meant.. Some users got it.. :wink:
Quote from: TimmyDo you have possibilities to contact SRS?!? I don't think so, but I'm just curious to know!
Obviously I have the email address he used to register his account.
I did email him once before I reopened the forum informing him of my intention, he never responded to it.
QuoteI did email him once before I reopened the forum informing him of my intention, he never responded to it.
I think he is watching and taking Notes !!!!
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Ripper started this thread 8:56 AM. It's now 17:37 PM (of the same day!). So he has much to read when he returns to his question... :D :D :D
Timmy
Quote from: TimmyRipper started this thread 8:56 AM. It's now 17:37 PM (of the same day!). So he has much to read when he returns to his question... :D :D :D
Wasn't that the plan? :P
Just to make it clear... I did not say that Corbut was bundling TodayPlus with the skins... "I said basically bundling..." meaning that if you do not have the program he would supply it to you... I think anything other than saying he is bundling it would be splitting hairs...
And what really irks me more is that he is charging $40... which is at least twice what most quality programs sell for...
$50.00
And 18 downloads..
here (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=51BF62384CX483A4FF9318D4BB67C53A&platformId=2&productType=2&catalog=0&sectionId=0&productId=142697)
Quote from: uk_skinner$50.00
And 18 downloads..
here (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=51BF62384CX483A4FF9318D4BB67C53A&platformId=2&productType=2&catalog=0&sectionId=0&productId=142697)
And this one (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productType=2&jid=43475ECAXE1F5X183E62XDBB1A71486E&platformId=2&siteId=1&productId=146673§ionId=0&catalog=1&authorId=690766) is even more bad :x
Broesel
This is bad.
The things posted on Handago, you can get them here for free. Plus radar image, image viewer and more....
srs, I wish you are here. You are the only one (I believe) who deserve any profit from TP.
$100.00 !!! (http://www.cheesebuerger.net/images/smilie/frech/d055.gif)
Going to need a "Gun and a Mask" to sell that one !!!! :shock:
Then the Hammerskin is an cheap produkt, only € 38,00 when for sale. :think:
But all for free :mrgreen:
Quote from: RipperJust to make it clear... I did not say that Corbut was bundling TodayPlus with the skins... "I said basically bundling..." meaning that if you do not have the program he would supply it to you... I think anything other than saying he is bundling it would be splitting hairs...
And what really irks me more is that he is charging $40... which is at least twice what most quality programs sell for...
He is charging 20.00 for the skin .... the 40.00 bundle includes a few other today screen plugins (which I didn't buy) I only got the skin. I agree that its a bit much for a skin though, but he did put alot of work into the graphics for it and the code. The price is comparable o a few other programs on Pocketgear.com that make the today screen look like XP.
Anyway now that I know what TP can do am also going to try out the other great skins here like the Hammerskin. :) So basically buying his skin brought me here :)
Quoteincludes a few other today screen plugins
I believed they all are TP skins and included in ET skin.
And you only can run one skin at one time.
Quote from: uk_skinnerQuoteincludes a few other today screen plugins
I believed they all are TP skins and included in ET skin.
And you only can run one skin at one time.
I got the ET skin but not the others... but I got the 20.00 one... you could be right they could be different skins, but it looked like plugins to me.
Yes, based on the information from Handago. TP is required, so they are TP skins. And if you have ET, you should not need the others. Just state the facts and nothing else.
Quote from: RipperJust to make it clear... I did not say that Corbut was bundling TodayPlus with the skins... "I said basically bundling..." meaning that if you do not have the program he would supply it to you... I think anything other than saying he is bundling it would be splitting hairs...
Ripper, do you know that he is actually giving out the program? Maybe he is just telling people what to search for to find it. In the line you quoted, he doesnt say he is giving it out, just that he will help install it:
Quote"Note: Everything Today 2.0 , WeatherNow 1.0.1 , LTwisted 1.5 requires Todayplus, A free program. If you don't already have Todayplus ver 12 then email us. We can also help you install it."
Also, has SRS actually made a public statement? The only thing I can find anywhere is the statement made by PDA Corps stating what SRS allegedly told them. Barring the hearsay, if there is no public statement, how can any of us know for sure what SRS wants?
QuoteRipper, do you know that he is actually giving out the program? Maybe he is just telling people what to search for to find it. In the line you quoted, he doesnt say he is giving it out, just that he will help install it:
Someone did get v.12 from him. Please see :
http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11898#11898
Quote
SO I emailed corbcut and got version 12.
Quote from: uk_skinnerQuoteRipper, do you know that he is actually giving out the program? Maybe he is just telling people what to search for to find it. In the line you quoted, he doesnt say he is giving it out, just that he will help install it:
Someone did get v.12 from him. Please see :
http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11898#11898
Quote
SO I emailed corbcut and got version 12.
I still don't see anything wrong with giving out a program that was 'free' even if it was meant as a beta version. I could potentially give people copies of TP12 now,.... would that be wrong?
And Corbcut is NOT selling TP. He is selling the skin. No matter which way you look at it. Yes he is benefitting from the program... but so are all the skinners out there who sell skins for Dashboard and Wisbar Advanced. WA is a free program too... does that mean people should not sell skins for it, or maybe give a copy of WA to people who buy their skins? And Dashboard is commerical... does that mean skinners who sell Dashboard skins are infringing copyright?? I don't think it does.... The skin is an entirely different component than the program. And a program listed as 'freeware' whether it's beta or not, is freely distributable... whether or not the person distributing it is also selling a skin for it.
As for distributing TP12.... I still have yet to find somewhere that sais yay or nay.... nothing to either side from SRS or anyone else. Obviously since this forum still exists and everyone continues to make skins, and are willing to help people acquire it (via Google or whatever), then you are all condoning people being able to obtain the program. So I do not see any difference between my getting it from Corbcut, or if I'd stumbled on here first and took your advice and got it through Google. (btw I did eventually find it on Google... after searching through about 20 pages I found a link to another forum which had the link to download version 12)
The whole issue now is.... does SRS want everyone to stop distributing it period? Discussing and distributing are two diffeernt things. And if that's the case, then NONE of us should be using it at all... or helping others get a copy (by whatever means!) Until there's something concrete written to either direction, then Corbcut is doing nothing wrong by distributing a freely distributable program! (Though he should mention that it's a beta version)
Anyway... don't want to tick anyone off... It's just my opinion.
I just pointed out the facts that you did receive TP 0.12 from LT.
Whether LT should distribute the TP for his own profit, that leave other people to make judgement. :wink:
I know you were just pointing it out.. I just quoted it for the purpose of the topic, so people would know what I was ranting about :)
Point of information - AFAIK the skins that LT is selling incorporate the ability to add plugins from within TD+. That means that you need v0.12 to run his skins since only v0.12 had this feature. Make what you will of this.
Long time since I've been on a TP forum.....
There's been much discussion in this thread about whether or not Corbcut (who was known as LordTwisted on the original TP forum) should be distributing TP, or offering to help with such distribution. In addition, though, I have always had some concerns about his selling the "Everything Today" skin. Why? Because in the original TP forum, people shared ideas freely, and lots of skins incorporated other people's ideas (as Wichtel has cheerfully admitted applies to his Hammerskin). There's no doubt whatsoever that LordTwisted was one of the most talented skinners on the site, but can he honestly say that no-one else ever gave him an idea that ended up in Everything Today? I'm not claiming that I did so (in fact, I'm sure I didn't) - but can he really claim to have thought of every concept that is embedded in his skin? Maybe that kind of thing happens all the time - but IMHO, it sucks !
All the best..................Scotty
Quote from: SynergieAs for distributing TP12.... I still have yet to find somewhere that sais yay or nay.... nothing to either side from SRS or anyone else...
During the days of TodayPlus's development, we had a "Beta" group (http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/groupcp.php?g=343). Basically, a small number of select members would be given access to the latest version that SRS had developed prior to releasing it to the world. At the time, LordTwisted (aka Corbcut) was a member of this group and so was I.
The forum section for this group is now hidden to all except for the members of the Administrator group (http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/groupcp.php?g=4453) so you will have to take my word for it. There is a post from "arbitrajeu" detailing conditions of being a member of the "Beta" group. "Arbitrajeu" was asked to make these conditions from SRS. One of the conditions is:
Quote from: arbitrajeuDo not distribute pre-release versions of TodayPlus outside this forum - srs will release it to the wider public when he's comfortable it is functioning to his satisfaction.
SRS, never released v0.12 to the world prior to his departure. So yes, LordTiwsted distributing v0.12 is a violation of SRS's wishes.
Quote from: jhollin1138
SRS, never released v0.12 to the world prior to his departure. So yes, LordTiwsted distributing v0.12 is a violation of SRS's wishes.
For the record, my question (see below) was referring to the versions of TP that were publicly released. My question still stands, btw.
Quote from: CratosAlso, has SRS actually made a public statement? The only thing I can find anywhere is the statement made by PDA Corps stating what SRS allegedly told them. Barring the hearsay, if there is no public statement, how can any of us know for sure what SRS wants?
Quote from: jhollin1138
Quote from: arbitrajeuDo not distribute pre-release versions of TodayPlus outside this forum - srs will release it to the wider public when he's comfortable it is functioning to his satisfaction.
SRS, never released v0.12 to the world prior to his departure. So yes, LordTiwsted distributing v0.12 is a violation of SRS's wishes.
So basically he should be giving Version 11.... but to my understanding, the plugin functionality of his skins require version 12. Does anyone know for sure if Lord Twisted actually spoke to SRS (maybe outside of here) and asked him if it was ok to give out now?? Maybe since SRS abandoned the project, Lord Twisted might have asked if it would be ok via email or something?? (u never know...)
Anyway.... in my opinion... version 12 works great! I never had any probs with it! So functionality wise, I think SRS *should* be happy with it functioning to his satisfaction, then again he might have higher expectations for it, but I never had a single crash etc with it. The RSS and weather updating only by a manual sync, is the only thing I can think of and thats small, its too easy to sync manually once a day to get the news and weather.
Ok so knowing that he doesn't want this version distributed, I will keep it to myself then. Though I am still going to use it :) I can't do without it now! hehe but I will note any and all errors etc that I find (if any) and post them here to do my part (I know I am not part of the 'official' beta team but humor me, it will make me feel less guilty for using it, and I have beta tested other software before).
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Quote from: CratosFor the record, my question (see below) was referring to the versions of TP that were publicly released. My question still stands, btw.
Quote from: CratosAlso, has SRS actually made a public statement? The only thing I can find anywhere is the statement made by PDA Corps stating what SRS allegedly told them. Barring the hearsay, if there is no public statement, how can any of us know for sure what SRS wants?
And I was answering a question posted by "Synergie" and not your question.
The last posting I am aware of by SRS anywhere, was when you and he had that heated discussion over at Brighthand (I am not bringing that up to get that going again just as a mater of fact).
To date, the closest comment I am aware of from SRS regarding TodayPlus directly was BenL's (BTW, the site owner of PDA Corps) post. I wouldn't worry too much about trusting BenL, in my opinion he is very trustworthy.
Of course, we would all love to see a post from SRS stating how he wants us to handle TodayPlus. If he told me, he wishes the forum would be closed; I would close it. If he told me, he wishes everyone would stop running TodayPlus; I would stop.
At this point, he is obviously aware that people are still running TodayPlus regardless of the expiration date and he hasn't commented on it publicly. Not that that gives use permission to continue running it, but he hasn't said stop either.
Quote from: jhollin1138If he told me, he wishes everyone would stop running TodayPlus; I would stop.
Same here. I will do the same thing. 8)
Quote from: jhollin1138
And I was answering a question posted by "Synergie" and not your question.
And I was just clarifying my question so that others would know that I was only referring to the publicly released versions.
QuoteThe last posting I am aware of by SRS anywhere, was when you and he had that heated discussion over at Brighthand (I am not bringing that up to get that going again just as a mater of fact).
Why would you mention it then? The question is not when the last post was but if SRS actually ever publicly stated what should happen to TP after he was done with it.
Quote from: CratosWhy would you mention it then? The question is not when the last post was but if SRS actually ever publicly stated what should happen to TP after he was done with it.
I bring it up for two reasons.
One, the fact that in the four or five post he made, he never addresses the fact that people are still running his expired software.
And two, that is the last time SRS made any comments publicly regarding TodayPlus that I am aware of.
I just would like to express my thoughts as late comer again.
Perhpas, in some previous users' eyes, I am just a "poor", "naive" kid still believe that Santa will bring my gift under the tree (my stock is too small) in Christmas eve. Yes, I am still a believer and still believe miracles. And my wish to Santa last year was to hope srs will come back :oops: :lol: . Laugh me if you wish. :lol:
Am I crazy or nuts or stubborn or stupid? Maybe. But I am enjoying what I am doing right now.
Cratos, do you mind I ask you tricky questions and I apologize first if they are offensive to you? Why did you come back to this forum? Do you just simply want to make your points you made almost one year ago? The question about whether srs made a public announcement was really matter to you? As I read, you are a developer too. Could you please enlight me how comes I don't see any software just like TP? (Maybe I did not search hard enough?).
I am no developer so I live in a different world, perhaps. So much I appreciate that srs can come out this piece of software. I do know the reality, it will be gone if he can not continue to work on it. But until that day comes, I will continue to explore it (of course unless srs tell me to stop it).
Again, stupid, stubborn and naive here I am... :wink:
Quote from: uk_skinnerCratos, do you mind I ask you tricky questions and I apologize first if they are offensive to you? Why did you come back to this forum? Do you just simply want to make your points you made almost one year ago?
No. I browse this forum often to keep up with any TP news. I did not just come back. I was always here.
QuoteThe question about whether srs made a public announcement was really matter to you?
Uhh yes. Obviously if I am posting about it, then it matters to me. I posed on this topic because I am curious as to why people are reluctant to give away (publicly released) versions of TP even though no public statement has been made. I think that a lot of people on the forum may actually think there was a statement. I just wanted to make it clear that SRS has not made his wishes known publicly. I am not try to provoke anything!
QuoteAs I read, you are a developer too. Could you please enlight me how comes I don't see any software just like TP? (Maybe I did not search hard enough?).
Are you talking about a software just like TP from me? I dont have time for a project like this. I barely have time to keep up my one public project that I have going. I am a full-time student and also work to pay the bills. Whatever time is left over gets put into CoursePro. If TP was open sourced I would definitly try to contribute to the project with some code, but I just cant start a project like this from scratch right now.
It seems like there is a bit of hostility toward me for the discussion that took place at BH. Anyone that feels this way should go back and reread the conversation. All I was doing was answering someone's question as to why people were mad about the expiration. SRS is the one that came in swinging and telling lies. I was not trying to provoke anyone then or now. I even wished him good luck with the family issues he was having. He took his ball and went home. Maybe he wasn't cut out to be a developer? But, there could be a million reasons why he isnt here today. Who am I to speculate. Whatever he chose to do, I still wish him good luck.
Cratos:
By no means I asked you those questions in bad way. If you feel that way, again please accept my apology. And certainly I don't want open the argument or whatever discussion here again.
The reason I am here is very simple. I like TP program, I guessed you do or did, otherwise you will not come back here. If you are still using TP (I will not bet on it), and like what we are doing here, no one certainly (at least myslef) will object your comment and help. On the other hand, if you are not really intersting in using it, you still can come to check us.
I guess, whatever happened has happened. At least we all adults (based one your statement, I probably older than you) and we all make justification of our actions. Those justifications might not be acceptable or understable by others. As long as you can live with it, then just fine. :wink:
Quote from: uk_skinnerBy no means I asked you those questions in bad way. If you feel that way, again please accept my apology.
I wasn't offended, but thanks for the offer of apology. :D
Quote from: Cratos...I posed on this topic because I am curious as to why people are reluctant to give away (publicly released) versions of TP even though no public statement has been made. I think that a lot of people on the forum may actually think there was a statement. I just wanted to make it clear that SRS has not made his wishes known publicly...
Although it isn't SRS words, this is the closest answer to your question that I am aware of; Broesel's post (http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11895#11895).
As far as this forum's policy on distribution, read this post (http://www.jhollin1138.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11913#11913).
Quote from: CratosIt seems like there is a bit of hostility toward me for the discussion that took place at BH. Anyone that feels this way should go back and reread the conversation...
I don't feel that way at all. Maybe you should reread my post (http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=669473#post669473) from the thread you are referring to. You, and all members, are free to post their opinions on this and any subject.
Quote from: jhollin1138I don't feel that way at all. Maybe you should reread my post (http://discussion.brighthand.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=669473#post669473) from the thread you are referring to. You, and all members, are free to post their opinions on this and any subject.
I'm sorry if I got a little defensive. I guess I should have gone back and reviewed that old forum before my post.
Also, sorry for the off topic.
Quote from: CratosAlso, sorry for the off topic.
I don't see it as being off topic.
Now if you started talking about the new Corvette Z06 (http://autoshow.msn.com/as/article.aspx?xml=GM2&shw=autoshow2005&src=autoshow2005Coverage), that would be off topic. :)
Quote from: jhollin1138Quote from: CratosAlso, sorry for the off topic.
I don't see it as being off topic.
Now if you started talking about the new Corvette Z06 (http://autoshow.msn.com/as/article.aspx?xml=GM2&shw=autoshow2005&src=autoshow2005Coverage), that would be off topic. :)
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... nice cars ...
Timmy
Dam, all this talk about me, sure makes a guy feel good. :D
Ok now for the good stuuf, first i would like to say I sell my skins not todayplus. I spend alot of hours making my skins, I have the right to sell them. Now the poeple that where around for the begining of todayplus wil know that i gave away all my skins, graphics, icons, codeing, ect for free, the only thing that i asked for in return was acknoligment, thats it. And sh*t it was alot, more then anyone of you guys and you know it.
The reason i started selling my skins is becouse poeple where taking my codeing and graphics and not giving me any credit what so ever, not every one but most, and i was tired of it, spending all that time and other poeple get credit for it bullsh*t.
Now zapme Dam straight my codeing that i created, is copyrighted. I was not going to make the same mistake that srs did. And any programer can tell you when you creat code you can copyright it. And yes what you see in the .txt files is code like it or not.
And yes i created so much for todayplus, I was the first one to creat a full skin, ( brighthand days before todayplus forums) i was the one who turned the skins to real skins, the first ticker, the first pic veiwer, the first background changer, text color changer, weather icons changer, radar images and so on and so on. sh*t, if it wasn't for me alot of the stuff in the skins you use today is becouse of me, So who in the hell are you guys to tell me not to sell my creations. :twisted:
Todayplus pack consits of 5 skins for todayplus not one. corbcut pack consits of 3 skins and 5 programs. Custom install consits of 5 skins, and you paying 30 dolars for a program custom that is for each person. that will set every thing up for you, and i mean every thing. most poeple have trouble setting it up well this takes care of it instaed of spending hours doing it. If you don't like what i sel well to F@$king bad, don't buy it.
Srs does not have any kind of leagal notes stating that the program can not be distriputed, And most poeple that buy my skins already have todayplus, and if they don't i tell them to try to goggle it, if if all false yes i will give them a free copy of todayplus, that is freeware, that you can get on the net, that you guys tell poeple you can get it on the net.
I will stae it again i do not bundle tp in any way that is a fact, i sell my skins and nothing else, i have that right leagaly. And i do have copyrightes to my code.
Synergie,
Thanks.
And zapme, you really have some nearve, you bought my skin ET2 and stripped my code and used it in your skin, your nothing but a thief. Leaagly i can sue you for distruputing my code, but thats not me. so shut the h@ll up and look at your self, before you make coments about someone else.
uk_skinner,
No you do not need other skins if you run ET2, but poeple like verity, they change skins all the time, i know i do. And i am sure most of you do. Again i don't distrupute tp for profit i sell my skins for profit.
Cratos
you are toataly right there is no kind of claimer about todayplus.
ya1950,
Yes i did incorperate the plugins, so poeple that use ver12 can have them, hello.
Scotty,
thank you, and no i don't claim i thought of every idea that si out there. But sh*t i did creat most of them.
Ripper
if selling skins rub you the wrong way then why don't you go give juni sh*t about selling his skins and the 100 of other poeple selling skins for other programs.
To all that understand why i sell my skins cool, to all others to f#@king bad.
corbcut (aka Lordtwisted) :D 8)
Hopefully that 'thanks' was a good one and not a bad one, since I was stickin' up for ya ;)
I love your skin and got it lookin how I want - I changed the names below the icons once I figured out where in the code they were lol (hope you dont mind) and I put some of my own wallpapers in there.
Plan on making any more like ET?? And... I am assuming you made plugins to use with the two 'plugin' icons on the second page.... what are they and where can I find em??
QuoteNow zapme Dam straight my codeing that i created, is copyrighted. I was not going to make the same mistake that srs did. And any programer can tell you when you creat code you can copyright it. And yes what you see in the .txt files is code like it or not.
First of all, I won't lower myself to use the language and the comments that you have used here.. Besides, I wasn't even really part of this thread, and for you to attack me like you did was just very childish !!
With that said, I believe that you really don't even know what a "copyright" is.! To copyright something, you have to be the "original creator".. You DID NOT create TP, OR the code that makes it work !! You were a beta tester just like others who were given the "privledge" of using a program made by SRS... And SRS your NOT !!! SRS is the "Only" one who can copyright this code.......................!
QuoteAnd zapme, you really have some nearve, you bought my skin ET2 and stripped my code and used it in your skin, your nothing but a thief. Leaagly i can sue you for distruputing my code, but thats not me. so shut the h@ll up and look at your self, before you make coments about someone else.
When I bought your ET skin, it was because I thought it was a nice piece of work.. At that point, I was already more then half way done with a skin of my own.. Most of the code in my skin was gotten from the "Skin Reference", which by the way, was also NOT written by you !! Other ideas and the design, were my own.. I learned much about TP and skinning from Lightman, and many hours of trial and error on my own !!!
And yes, I did attempt to sell my skin, or should I say my time and my design, but I also proved to you, that everything in my skin was different from yours, and standard TP code (owned by SRS... Not you !)
Even your sun icon, which you accused me of stealing, was email to you along side of the one I used to show you that they were different... You again there lowered yourself to "childish name calling"
If you want to sue me, then every skinner is also with me because we all use the same code... Have a good life !!!!!
With LordTwisted and ZapMe1 both having their say, I have locked this thread before it gets out of hand.